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28-12-2007, 06:41 AM | #1 | ||
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I stayed at my Brotehrs place in Drouin a week or so ago and commuted via the M1 into our Mulgrave office. The Packenham bypass had just opened - saved 20 mins on the trip, but the thing still becomes a bottle neck.
Anyways, i have no problem with bikes scooting between traffic when its stopped or doing say less than 30km/h. I was suprised however, that the practice (forget what its called) continue up to and over speeds of 80km/h. I becamse very aware of it (I am always on the lookout for bikes) but these folk seem to take some big risks - all it would take is someone talking on their mobile, getting distracted by kids etc, move a little and clean up the biker? Any Mexicans here seen it? I havenet seen it on Sydney Freeways (I'm talking about once we get up to speed)? Surely its illegal? Like i said, have no problems when it happens at lights etc - sometime wish the Ute could transform and i could jump to the head of the queue!
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28-12-2007, 08:00 AM | #2 | |||
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The practice that you’re referring to (at high speed) is lane splitting. They tend to call if lane filtering at low speeds. I’m not sure of the legalities, although, I don’t have a problem with it. Like everything, there’s people that will do it with more caution that others.
It’s usually fairly easy to tell the riders that have never been off before. At the end of the day, they know (or should know) the risks involved if they choose to do it at high speed.
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28-12-2007, 08:33 AM | #3 | |||
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So true, the ones with running shoes and T-shirts flapping at the back showing bare skin have never been off. Best to drive and ignore them, it's the bikers responsibility to look after themselves, be buggered if i would commute the M1 on a bike, looks like Russian roulette with the lane jumping cars. |
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28-12-2007, 09:14 AM | #4 | ||
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What you are describing is common practice here for motocyclists.
Another one of their favorites is to fly up the emergency lane at great speed when traffic is very heavy. |
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28-12-2007, 10:10 AM | #5 | ||
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Bikes to it at any speed, even when doing 100kph a bike will still pass between cars.
Hey it's their lives, if they want to end it early, it's up to them.
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28-12-2007, 10:24 AM | #6 | ||
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Just this morning I merged with the freeway at speed. Bike up my bum. I indicated and merged into the left lane, then held the blinker to continue to the right lane as it was empty, it would have been a fluid motion had the bike not been 1m behind me then overtook me mid way through the whole thing and caused me to swerve back into the left lane again to sake this fool from getting wiped out by me.....
No blinkers, no real care for their safety... I wonder if I have hit them (would have been more of a side swipe) who would have been at fault? |
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28-12-2007, 08:51 PM | #7 | ||
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It happens in Sydney all the time ... even in the CBD as well ... there's some crazy riders out there.
There's a number of motorcyclists that ride into work as well ... and from waht I have seen so far we have decent riders here ... one of my colleagues doesn't do it ... he has seen a number of time where irresponsible riders do it and get collected ... not a pretty sight. I have seen a rider get collected by a semi doing the same thing ... poor trucker driver didn't get a chance to spot him cos the rider was really moving. Rider was also one of those T-shirt and track shoe riders (on a sports bike as well) ... some people will never learn I guess.
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28-12-2007, 09:01 PM | #8 | ||
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It is illegal. bike are under the same rules as cars, and if a car passed between 2 moving veichles they would be charged with reckless driving or somthing. as much as the police dont mind it at lights (and i dont think anyone else does) it shouldnt been done at speed.
I know some ppl say 'meh there life' but what if you were the car that hit the bike as it illegally passed between 2 cars, and you ran the the guy over.. you life is in turmoil aswell!!! Bikers should have more respect for there own lives and the road rules!!!!
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29-12-2007, 08:41 AM | #9 | ||
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the amount of times i have been dawdling down the monash and had these tempoary australians split betwen my semi and another one at speed it getting rediculous.
in a big rig all it takes is an undulation in the road to be on a certian angle and the trucks 'wander'. i've already had a lane splitter under the front of my rig after he hit a car infront of me. they will not learn because they dont want to. |
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29-12-2007, 09:43 AM | #10 | |||
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Anyway from my perspective, trucks aren't the most risk to a rider but have the greatest (worst) consequences if you get hit by one. I will often come up behind a truck and then spend some time waiting until there is a side of the rig where the other vehicles there are cars and hence more space. I also won't overtake a truck on a bend, because they wander in the lane. Ultimately, anyone not on a bike will be seeing what I do and probably having a heart attack. As the rider, you get used to the smaller tolerances available and if you're smart, you find the method that still reduces your risk. Here are some basic rules I live by:
Lastly, I will say that countries and cities with extreme congestion both condone and promote lane splitting. The use of two wheeled transport in these environments does improve congestion and allow more people to use the road with less effect on traffic. To suggest that somehow it is inherently "deadly" here is not a valid argument. If the road laws had specific exemptions that allowed lane splitting we would be know the difference between the people who do it "smart" and those that are living on borrowed time. Unfortunately muppets are always going to exist and we should avoid tarring everyone with the same brush, and also understand that even experienced riders make mistakes now and then. Last edited by kaldek; 29-12-2007 at 09:53 AM. |
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29-12-2007, 12:01 PM | #11 | ||
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kaldek,
When i spot a rider sitting just off my trailer i ALWAYS move to the extreeme other side of my lane to provide room. unless you are afforderd room by the vehicles driver, your really just playing russian roulette ( i ride dirt and road also ). i know that its quicker, but it allows very little margin for error. usually by a inattentive car driver. i have seen too many bikes cleaned up and the rideres litteraly scraped off the road to ever agree that this is sensible at anything except lights where the vehicles are stopped. |
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29-12-2007, 02:13 PM | #12 | |||
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Surely when you "chuck it down three gears" it would increase your speed by a lot more than 20km/h. |
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29-12-2007, 02:25 PM | #13 | ||
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Regardless of how idiotic anyone is being, you are compelled by law (no caps, I'll assume it's readable anyway) to avoid a collision to the best of your ability while not endangering others.
Whether they are breaking the law or not is irrelevant, you break the law once you decide to deliberately ram or "squeeze" somebody off the road and will do very poorly in a court if it can be proven your actions were deliberate. You may feel that you have some basic right to kill or maim people for being stupid. The law thankfully disagrees with you. Once again, I shall thank the inept and idiotic for putting their heads on show and saving us the trouble of finding them. |
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29-12-2007, 09:10 AM | #14 | ||||
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29-12-2007, 10:45 AM | #15 | ||
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Hmmm. Kaldek, you've contradicted your own "rules" at least once that i picked up.
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29-12-2007, 12:56 PM | #16 | |||
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29-12-2007, 10:58 AM | #17 | ||
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Yeah, I drive the Monash every day. and Yeah I have nearly wiped out a few " lane splitters", they way I see it is you should not be there, so if I hit you... too bad, just another impatient idiot this planet can do without.
So Kaldek, if you see a Yellow XR8 on the monash, beware it could be me. If I want to move to the next lane that has some room, i'm going, I dont care what is in between. |
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29-12-2007, 01:07 PM | #19 | |||
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I'm sure it won't convince you otherwise of how you perceive me. I can only say that I'm a good bloke and I think my kids would be a tad upset to know I was killed by somebody who saw me and still changed lanes just because they didn't like what I was doing. Should I print your forum post out and tell my wife to keep it in case a yellow XR8 hits me on the Monash? |
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29-12-2007, 12:56 PM | #20 | ||
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in qld it's illegal to pass a vehicle on the left unless that vehicle is indicating to turn right or there is a marked lane to the left of it.
that said, i ride, and have done for 20 years, and i often filter through stationary traffic past police and have never had a problem. riders frequently blast up the fog line during peak hour and the police book them for that and lane splitting moving traffic. yes, some riders are idiots, yes, some think they are immortal and should have more respect for road users, but some of the attitudes expressed here demonstrate clearly why i and most of the guys i ride with give cars a wide berth and make every effort to stay well clear, and to hell with what car drivers think about it. I have been seriously injured (13 weeks in hospital) by a careless driver and it changed my life completely, but it was an accident, i can live with it, and the guy that hit me, he lives with the fact he nearly killed me by accident every day. I wonder how you may cope with the fact you not only didn't care, but may have contributed to another person, rider or not, being injured???
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29-12-2007, 01:21 PM | #21 | ||
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im a rider myself so lane splitting isnt a big deal to me.
however, 2 days ago i had a guy on a bike overtake me on the left hand side of the car, now im not talking as if im on a 4 lane freeway either, it was a normal city street. so it was me, small gap and then a gutter, and thats it. i was so tempted to drive him in to the gutter and take him out just for being a dumb , and i know for a fact i would not have been in the wrong legally either so if any one else thinks that its cool to overtake on the left hand side on a normal road - think again. and yes, it was another in shorts and thongs so the lesson would have been valuable to him any way. flame away, i dont really care. do stupid things on a bike and you will pay the price - its only a matter of time. |
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29-12-2007, 01:29 PM | #22 | ||||
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Deliberately hitting someone regardless of what they are doing is a crime and the fact they are dumb would not keep you out of jail if you killed them. These threads always deteriorate to fantasy's of violence towards bikers for some reason, keep them to yourself. Last edited by Falcon Coupe; 29-12-2007 at 02:05 PM. |
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29-12-2007, 02:08 PM | #23 | |||
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as for the legalities, its a ONE lane road, i am ENTITLED BY LAW to use any and all of that lane if i choose. i can drive in the middle of that lane, to the left of that lane or to the right of that lane. overtaking anywhere on a single lane is ILLEGAL and plain stupid. he was just lucky i seen him before he overtook and i wasnt one of those drivers that swerve through a lane as they drive (you know the ones that cant drive in a nice straight line). keep your BS to yourself, im just saying what happened and how he should be thankful that i or anyone else didnt take him out. oh, and just to put you all at rest, the police were called by a pedestrian (i assume) and when i drove past again, he was being arrested and his bike was going on the back of a flat bed. |
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29-12-2007, 01:38 PM | #24 | ||
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i'm just thankful i have no reason to go to warrnambool...................
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