Extra tax on tobacco what next?

[robbyg]

As we have all probably heard in the last couple of days there will be an extra tax on tobacco, i wonder what will be hit next to fund the governments spending spree, i think maybe alcohol, fast food outlets, macas and kfc to stop the obeisity issue which experts say is more a killer of aussies than tobacco, i am a smoker and like a beer, dont mind the odd macas or kfc feed, it is convient in our busy life style, but i think i will cut down, because the real motive behind this i think is revenue raising and i pay a ******** load of tax already!!
Like to hear some other views on this.

[Work Horse]

At the same time smokers are being slugged a couple of extra dollars in tax, Victorian police are being issued with semi-automatic weapons.

Coincidence or are the government expecting some trouble from smokers?

[HLC]

Originally Posted by Work Horse

At the same time smokers are being slugged a couple of extra dollars in tax, Victorian police are being issued with semi-automatic weapons.

Coincidence or are the government expecting some trouble from smokers?

those M&P's are cheap as chips anyway. wouldnt be any dearer than the POS revolvers they have now. at least new anyway. great little bit of kit

[vztrt]

Alcohol (gotta protect the kids!!), ETS will eventually get through, wouldn't be surprised if fuel gets a few extra cents. I've also heard mining companies are being looked at to get an extra tax on them.

[FGII-XR6]

as long as the money all goes to health as promised I'm all for it after all smokers are responsible for a higher percentage of the health bill that the general population

[burnz]

Originally Posted by robbyg

As we have all probably heard in the last couple of days there will be an extra tax on tobacco, i wonder what will be hit next to fund the governments spending spree, i think maybe alcohol, fast food outlets, macas and kfc to stop the obeisity issue which experts say is more a killer of aussies than tobacco, i am a smoker and like a beer, dont mind the odd macas or kfc feed, it is convient in our busy life style, but i think i will cut down, because the real motive behind this i think is revenue raising and i pay a ******** load of tax already!!
Like to hear some other views on this.

yep alcohol will be next they normally go together.

Originally Posted by workhorse

At the same time smokers are being slugged a couple of extra dollars in tax, Victorian police are being issued with semi-automatic weapons.
Coincidence or are the government expecting some trouble from smokers?

i wouldent put it past the gun happy copper state

Originally Posted by vztrt

Alcohol (gotta protect the kids!!), ETS will eventually get through, wouldn't be surprised if fuel gets a few extra cents. I've also heard mining companies are being looked at to get an extra tax on them.

what a perfect time for ealier tax on LPG.
and yes the miners are being look at IE the man in the ground.

[xtremerus]

Excise [Tax ] on tobacco, Alcohol and Petrol, ALREADY increases EVER 6 months due to the excise being increased inline with the CPI.
Petrol was taken out of this scheme/scam some years ago, and frozen at the present 38 odd cent/ L , when the cost of oil sky-rocketed.
This scheme/scam was introduced YEARS [ 20? ] ago, so that any Govt. of the day did not have to announce the tax increases at budget time. and P off the voters.

[Sorted]

I don't smoke but what's with the Government???

First I heard of this tax was today and it comes into effect at midnight? What the?

Next they will advise increased tax on something that does effect me and it will just happen overnight without any public discussion......

Yeah yeah I know they discuss it in parliment but don't we get told of it when it'd been discussed, not after it passed.

Next they will increase gst from 10% to 11% and that will just happen overnight as well

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by Sorted

I don't smoke but what's with the Government???

First I heard of this tax was today and it comes into effect at midnight? What the?

Next they will advise increased tax on something that does effect me and it will just happen overnight without any public discussion......

Yeah yeah I know they discuss it in parliment but don't we get told of it when it'd been discussed, not after it passed.

Next they will increase gst from 10% to 11% and that will just happen overnight as well

Actually 12% is the number being thrown around.

This tax is funny. Was at the supermarket before and saw people walking out with plastic bags full of smokes. One guy bought $650 dollers worth of ciggies. The tax is already doing its job.

[Walt Kowalski]

Simple

After it gets re elected (I bet it will) this Rudd Government will continue to spend spend spend.

I mean waste waste waste.

And then it will raise taxes to pay for that waste.

If you do not think it is a pattern with Labor Governments you need to study some history

[irlewy86]

Originally Posted by Walt Kowalski

Simple

After it gets re elected (I bet it will) this Rudd Government will continue to spend spend spend.

I mean waste waste waste.

And then it will raise taxes to pay for that waste.

If you do not think it is a pattern with Labor Governments you need to study some history

Name me a Labor government that pork-barrelled one south coast elctroate by a Billion dollars?

[samftr]

Well, Rego in QLD is something astronomical at present. I said ages ago when we got our 900 dollar "TAX BONUS" last year that we will be paying it back more then 10 fold. look at how much power costs now... 480 for 6 months registration on a 6 cylinder.

[robbyg]

[QUOTE=samftr]Well, Rego in QLD is something astronomical at present. I said ages ago when we got our 900 dollar "TAX BONUS" last year that we will be paying it back more then 10 fold. look at how much power costs now... 480 for 6 months registration on a 6 cylinder.[/QUOTE

Mate i put my two cents worth in another thread on that topic somewhere in this forum, to be hounest i re registered me old ford with that 900 dollars and loved it but as you say we will pay 10 fold if not more, hate to sound so negative, politicians super and pensions are always in the background the priority.

[svo supporter]

Instead of taxing tobacco to fund stuff, cut the pollies wages and rorts they've got.

Chances of that happening. Nun and bucklies

As for smokers being a burdon on the health system. Doubt it. We pay enough in tobacco taxes ovwer the years to cover out medical expenses in our later lives. So what's the problem there? People don't smoke, or give it up, where's the gov't going to get the money from for the health system? Introduce a healthy diet tax?

[alscall]

Originally Posted by svo supporter

Instead of taxing tobacco to fund stuff, cut the pollies wages and rorts they've got.

Chances of that happening. Nun and bucklies

As for smokers being a burdon on the health system. Doubt it. We pay enough in tobacco taxes ovwer the years to cover out medical expenses in our later lives. So what's the problem there? People don't smoke, or give it up, where's the gov't going to get the money from for the health system? Introduce a healthy diet tax?

How true...

The average smoker on a pack of day already pays about $6 per pack in tax. Now it'll be $8. That's $8 x 7 x 52 = $2912 a YEAR!! That's some health insurance policy!

What about people like me, who already pay private health insurance? Shouldn't I be exempt becaus I'm already paying?

[samftr]

Oh I remember they "froze" their pay rises this year or was that last fiscal year? I thought ah how nice of them.. then they stuff up the poor buggers in qld healths pay's for a few months..

[samftr]

they dont say how one doctor got paid over 1million and a nurse over 90 grand tho. (shh)

[Walt Kowalski]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...-1225859616207

Have your vote but do it before midnight

[samftr]

TAXPAYERS will fork out $90 million a year to keep more than 400 public servants employed within the federal Climate Change Department - despite most now having nothing to do until 2013

[GT0132]

Probably the only thing Rudd has done that I don't disagree with seeing as though I'm a 16 month non smoker.

[snappy]

Originally Posted by GT0132

Probably the only thing Rudd has done that I don't disagree with seeing as though I'm a 16 month non smoker.

They question is why is he doing this .
I wonder if it got anything to do with the henry review all what ever its called sitting on his desk since december. I will bet money there will be a backflip on the plain packaging because the smoke squad have called there lawyers and if we lose we will have to compensate the cigerette companys million or billion dollars cant remember exactly.

Thing is smokers are a easy target and the goverment dont mind milking us at all.

[pauljh74]

Originally Posted by snappy

They question is why is he doing this .
I wonder if it got anything to do with the henry review all what ever its called sitting on his desk since december. I will bet money there will be a backflip on the plain packaging because the smoke squad have called there lawyers and if we lose we will have to compensate the cigerette companys million or billion dollars cant remember exactly.

Thing is smokers are a easy target and the goverment dont mind milking us at all.

Cigarettes, by my calculation, are now going to be about $10 in just excise, the other $5 is for the manufacturers. How did I figure this? Well a pack of 30 is going up about $2.15 - a tax increase of 25%. 25% of $8 is $2. The overall sell price will be about $15 for a pack of 30.
I think with a tax take of about 65% of the price that it is obvious the government is using smokers as a cash cow. The extra money will be dumped into general revenue and likely not spent on specific things like healthcare. Rudd and co don't give an aeronautical act of intercourse about it - despite their public justifications for jacking up taxes - they just want to spew out an excuse to keep the masses happy. If they want people to stop smoking - ban them. The extra tax to "discourage" smokers is rubbish - they just know people will keep paying for them because they are hooked. Same with booze and petrol - price goes up, demand drops only slightly and the coffers are filled.

[samftr]

Far out. Its such a hard bastard of a thing to give up too apparently.

[robbyg]

Originally Posted by samftr

Far out. Its such a hard bastard of a thing to give up too apparently.

Sam it really is, they say its more addictive than herroine and drugs like that, patches on tomorrow mourning, try again

[snappy]

Originally Posted by robbyg

Sam it really is, they say its more addictive than herroine and drugs like that, patches on tomorrow mourning, try again

I with you there bought some patches today hopfully my hate for kevin rudd will help me to quit . Because i dont want to help that little knob jockey one bit buy handing him some more of my hard earned dollars . So he can flush it down the toilet that is if the pipes not block by the billions he put down there allready .

[DOC]

Originally Posted by robbyg

Sam it really is, they say its more addictive than herroine and drugs like that, patches on tomorrow mourning, try again

they said 1/3 would quit ?, that will not happen as they know only a small number can quit if at all, money grab.

As for quitting, it is very easy and it is all just a mind game. Those ads on TV saying you need quit a bait are not designed to tell you the truth, they are pumped out to alter your thinking the nasty Nico bugs will bite, all mind conditioning and cods wallop as you do not need any of it.

They would like you to think you do and believe this you now even have a path selection it's that important. If you believe that crap that is.

All you need is some chew-able vitamin c to help with the withdrawal and lots of clean filtered water, nothing more , well maybe a bag of lolly snakes in the first week for busy fingers and you good to go.

The biggest thing is not the craving but the habits formed, you will find you will without thinking shift the ashtray, pick up the empty smoke packet, walk to where you used to smoke.

[Dodge]

too many cooks in the kitchen, last trip to canberra i saw 40 or more statesman and LTDs sitting outside palament house, all running so the drivers and cars were cool, i asked on guy how long do they wait .he said 5 or 6 hours today... i said thank god my tax$ is paying for all of this ,but i didnt agree to kill the ozone layer in the process....no comment from the driver

[FGII-XR6]

climate change
rego costs
what pollies doctors and nurses get paid
even the GST
talk about off topic if you don't stay on topic this thread will be closed do you want to discuss this inteligently or what???

[JC]

Originally Posted by au3xr6

climate change
rego costs
what pollies doctors and nurses get paid
even the GST
talk about off topic if you don't stay on topic this thread will be closed do you want to discuss this inteligently or what???

Thread title says "what next?". That covers rego costs, and GST. And qld health has nothing to do with federal govt, so not sure how that links in, except to illustrate the waste of some government departments (this would also cover the climate change mob, and wages for pollies etc). Spending our money is directly related to tax increases, so I don't see how anything the government spends on is not fair game; the more they spend, the more they'll tax.

[dave289]

Originally Posted by JC

Thread title says "what next?". That covers rego costs, and GST. And qld health has nothing to do with federal govt, so not sure how that links in, except to illustrate the waste of some government departments (this would also cover the climate change mob, and wages for pollies etc). Spending our money is directly related to tax increases, so I don't see how anything the government spends on is not fair game; the more they spend, the more they'll tax.

as for the tax I,m sure its one of many we will encounter to compensate for the failings of kevin 07 , and thanks to the dopes who thought it was time for a change and vote for a fool ,when little johnny had things pretty much under control.