Ecoboost V6 rant

Vesper Martini · 22-06-2016, 02:41 PM

Ecoboost really is a strong point for Ford at the moment. look at the success of the Ford GT an Le Mans, and the award on the small 1L 3 cylinder for the second year running

We have a few smaller variants available for sale here up to the 2.3L 4 cylinder in the mustang.

but no V6 yet!

The most recent article I read on the Ford Edge we arte getting says diesel only, so we miss out on the Edge Sport with the 2.7 Ecoboost V6??

let alone the 243KW Fusion/Mondeo Sport

I would have loved to have seen the last Falcons and Territory's with this engine. People couldn't get their head around a 4 cylinder Falcon, I must admit I'm the same.
But the 2.7 ecoboost in the Territory would have been magnificent, and now it looks like we not getting any

Ford17 · 22-06-2016, 03:24 PM

How many different engines does the FG-X then need?

Ford already had the Barra 6, Turbo 6, S/C V8, and ecoboost all available; in a model which had a 2-3 year life span, and a rapidly diminishing customer base.

Two of these engines are arguably the best ever offered in an Australian made car.

Sometimes you need to be thankful for what's already available.

Vesper Martini · 22-06-2016, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Ford17

How many different engines does the FG-X then need?

Ford already had the Barra 6, Turbo 6, S/C V8, and ecoboost all available; in a model which had a 2-3 year life span, and a rapidly diminishing customer base.

Two of these engines are arguably the best ever offered in an Australian made car.

Sometimes you need to be thankful for what's already available.

I'm not suggesting another engine variant. I'm suggesting "instead of"

NX74205 · 22-06-2016, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bevsta007

I'm not suggesting another engine variant. I'm suggesting "instead of"

Instead of which engine then? If it's instead of the Ecoboost four, then I'd say that the Ecoboost V6 is surplus to requirements because there's already the Barra I6 and I6T. If it's in place of the Barra engine, then what would be the point of choosing to continue production of the Barra instead of building the Focus here? And if it's in place of the V8, there'd be a lynch mob camped outside of Broadmeadows baying for blood.

Vesper Martini · 22-06-2016, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by NX74205

Instead of which engine then? If it's instead of the Ecoboost four, then I'd say that the Ecoboost V6 is surplus to requirements because there's already the Barra I6 and I6T. If it's in place of the Barra engine, then what would be the point of choosing to continue production of the Barra instead of building the Focus here? And if it's in place of the V8, there'd be a lynch mob camped outside of Broadmeadows baying for blood.

Yes instead of the Ecoboost 2L, and you are probably correct that would make the Barra Redundant.

Whats the Barra got to do with the Focus?

V8 be honest I didn't even think about.

NX74205 · 22-06-2016, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Bevsta007

Whats the Barra got to do with the Focus?

It was reported that Ford were deciding on whether to allocate its limited resources towards building the Focus here or upgrading the Barra to meet Euro IV. They chose the latter.

**PepeLePew** · 22-06-2016, 03:27 PM

Only referring to the 3.5 but I have to admit after a ride in a 2015 Taurus SHO i'm a convert, AWD and the 3.5 Ecoboost fangs. We need that here (in ANY form) to give any sense of full to the 4.0L turbo. The Taurus is a wolf in sheeps clothing, actually that may be insulting to sheep.

Boza · 22-06-2016, 03:41 PM

You can buy them as crate motor's with the controllers and wiring looms from ford motorsport then put one in whatever you like I would love to build a ecobosst 4cyl crate engined escort or cortina one day.

Trump · 22-06-2016, 06:10 PM

Your anger is misdirected. Ford of Australia made the choice to go with the Barra engine about seven years ago. There is nothing that can be done in the remaining four months of production.

Vesper Martini · 22-06-2016, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Loud_Noises

Your anger is misdirected. Ford of Australia made the choice to go with the Barra engine about seven years ago. There is nothing that can be done in the remaining four months of production.

Please don't get the idea I want them to suddenly change their Plans four months to the end. I'm just lamenting how good that engine would, have been.

My concern is more about the future. In four months time there will be no Six cylinder Ford on sale here in Australia.

and there seems to be no plans to bring one here.

Trump · 22-06-2016, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bevsta007

Please don't get the idea I want them to suddenly change their Plans four months to the end. I'm just lamenting how good that engine would, have been.

My concern is more about the future. In four months time there will be no Six cylinder Ford on sale here in Australia.

and there seems to be no plans to bring one here.

The buying public doesn't seem to care Bevsta. Your concern shouldn't be towards the lack of a six-cylinder Ford, it should be directed at the fact that the demise of automotive manufacture will have far greater consequences than merely the deletion of one product from the market.

chookaradley · 22-06-2016, 09:57 PM

Ford dedicated a lot of money and effort convincing yanks that the ecoboost was a worthy replacement for a v8 in the F series trucks. I really enjoyed the torture test videos they did on the ecoboost V6 and recommend if you havent seen them to have a look.

I get what your saying Bevsta and I agree. Ford dont have a car for me anymore and that makes me sad. A 4 door sedan with a bit of spunk (aka taurus sho) would be nice. Im not interested in a Ranger, but im in the minority.

Vesper Martini · 23-06-2016, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Loud_Noises

The buying public doesn't seem to care Bevsta. Your concern shouldn't be towards the lack of a six-cylinder Ford, it should be directed at the fact that the demise of automotive manufacture will have far greater consequences than merely the deletion of one product from the market.

That's your opinion about the Public.

& do you really think they were going to build the Focus here?

Trump · 23-06-2016, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Bevsta007

That's your opinion about the Public.

& do you really think they were going to build the Focus here?

That isn't my opinion, it is fact. The monthly sales for Falcon speak far louder than my two lines ever will.

Focus was never going to be built here, FordHQ made the decision to close Broadmeadows a good eight years ago.

CobraJet351 · 22-06-2016, 10:10 PM

I'd be very surprised if Ford actually were going to build the Focus here regardless of what they told the media.

Hopefully one day the V6TT will make its way into a performance car we can buy. Might be a while though.

Crazy Dazz · 23-06-2016, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Bevsta007

I would have loved to have seen the last Falcons and Territory's with this engine. People couldn't get their head around a 4 cylinder Falcon, I must admit I'm the same.
But the 2.7 ecoboost in the Territory would have been magnificent, and now it looks like we not getting any

What do you mean? My Territory has an ecoboost engine.

I'm reminded of when Toyota started marketing their cars with "High Cam" engines. A descriptor that meant absolutely nothing.

Turbo-charging engines to get more power, is hardly new. Fortunately the technology has come a long away. My wife's car also has a modest 4 cylinder engine with a fat turbo.

Would switching to a smaller, more economical 6 have saved the Falcon?
Ultimately, no. The Death Warrant was signed almost a decade ago.

Will we get a (potentially turbo-charged) V6 version of the Mondeo/Fusion? Possibly even AWD?
I'd like to hope so, but it would seem to depend on finding a cheap manufacturing point.
The problem with the Mondeo has always been that it is seen as too big for the SE Asia market, so I think the only place making RHD versions is Spain for the British market, and we get the scraps. I'd like to hope that would change, but FA's new focus seems to be on cheap cost high profit.

Top_Ghia · 23-06-2016, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

What do you mean? My Territory has an ecoboost engine.

I'm reminded of when Toyota started marketing their cars with "High Cam" engines. A descriptor that meant absolutely nothing.

Turbo-charging engines to get more power, is hardly new. Fortunately the technology has come a long away. My wife's car also has a modest 4 cylinder engine with a fat turbo.

Would switching to a smaller, more economical 6 have saved the Falcon?

Ultimately, no. The Death Warrant was signed almost a decade ago.

Will we get a (potentially turbo-charged) V6 version of the Mondeo/Fusion? Possibly even AWD?

I'd like to hope so, but it would seem to depend on finding a cheap manufacturing point.

The problem with the Mondeo has always been that it is seen as too big for the SE Asia market, so I think the only place making RHD versions is Spain for the British market, and we get the scraps. I'd like to hope that would change, but FA's new focus seems to be on cheap cost high profit.

No Territory has an ecoboost engine.

Wretched · 23-06-2016, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

What do you mean? My Territory has an ecoboost engine.

I'm reminded of when Toyota started marketing their cars with "High Cam" engines. A descriptor that meant absolutely nothing.

Turbo-charging engines to get more power, is hardly new. Fortunately the technology has come a long away. My wife's car also has a modest 4 cylinder engine with a fat turbo.

Would switching to a smaller, more economical 6 have saved the Falcon?
Ultimately, no. The Death Warrant was signed almost a decade ago.

Will we get a (potentially turbo-charged) V6 version of the Mondeo/Fusion? Possibly even AWD?
I'd like to hope so, but it would seem to depend on finding a cheap manufacturing point.
The problem with the Mondeo has always been that it is seen as too big for the SE Asia market, so I think the only place making RHD versions is Spain for the British market, and we get the scraps. I'd like to hope that would change, but FA's new focus seems to be on cheap cost high profit.

According to Ford it doesn't.
http://www.ford.com.au/ecoboost

Crazy Dazz · 23-06-2016, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Wretched

According to Ford it doesn't.

That's ok, according to Ford, people like me don't exist anymore.

Vesper Martini · 23-06-2016, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

What do you mean? My Territory has an ecoboost engine.

I'm reminded of when Toyota started marketing their cars with "High Cam" engines. A descriptor that meant absolutely nothing.

Turbo-charging engines to get more power, is hardly new. Fortunately the technology has come a long away. My wife's car also has a modest 4 cylinder engine with a fat turbo.

Yes Ecoboost is a Marketing Term, but read up its more than just a turbocharging an engine.
they are designed around economy, low rev response to give the feel of a larger engine. where are previously Turbos were only fitted for performance.
the by product is more power if you put the boot in.

Crazy Dazz · 23-06-2016, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Bevsta007

Yes Ecoboost is a Marketing Term, but read up its more than just a turbocharging an engine.

No, it really isn't.
As I said, technology has moved on, today's turbo-charged engines are much more sophisticated than something like the old Starion.

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Originally Posted by Bevsta007

they are designed around economy, low rev response to give the feel of a larger engine.

Yes, and European makers (and some Japanese) have been doing that for decades. Saab was doing that back in the 80's, and Volvo weren't far behind.
The biggest joke is that whilst' SOME of Ford's "ecoboost" range are whole new engines, for others they have simply applied the technology to existing designs.

Most of us would view the I6 turbo as a performance engine, simply because the NA version is already large and has loads of torque. That would have been exactly the SAME had the Falcon survived and switched to the Cyclone V6. (Which could have been a 3.5, 3.7, or 4 litre) But again, slap a couple of turbos on it and it becomes "ecoboost"
Because it IS more economical than the big V8's its designed to replace.

The "2nd Gen" "ecoboost" is very definitely performance orientated, as it is designed to replace the HP V8s, with some versions expected to produce over 400kw.

FA have now made the ecoboost standard on the Focus. Which is a nonsense. Even the entry level model is $5k above its competitors, plus the increased maintenance and decreased longevity, just to save a few dollars a week on petrol. Madness.

Vesper Martini · 24-06-2016, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

No, it really isn't.
As I said, technology has moved on, today's turbo-charged engines are much more sophisticated than something like the old Starion.

No its not just better because its more Sophisticated & modern, its specifically how its designed. they give a lot more low end power, running quite high compression ratios
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_EcoBoost_engine

VW is the closest competitor which incidentally runs 12.5:1 ratio (quite high even for a N/a)
http://www.caradvice.com.au/438900/v...-5-tsi-engine/

Crazy Dazz · 24-06-2016, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bevsta007

No its not just better because its more Sophisticated & modern, its specifically how its designed. they give a lot more low end power,

Yes, and as I said, other manufacturers have been doing that for decades.

Obviously a newly designed engine (as SOME ecoboost are) will incorporate as much up to date technology as possible.

Fact remains that as a concept it is most definitely nothing new.

SumoDog68 · 23-06-2016, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

What do you mean? My Territory has an ecoboost engine.

I'm reminded of when Toyota started marketing their cars with "High Cam" engines. A descriptor that meant absolutely nothing.

Turbo-charging engines to get more power, is hardly new. Fortunately the technology has come a long away. My wife's car also has a modest 4 cylinder engine with a fat turbo.

Would switching to a smaller, more economical 6 have saved the Falcon?
Ultimately, no. The Death Warrant was signed almost a decade ago.

Will we get a (potentially turbo-charged) V6 version of the Mondeo/Fusion? Possibly even AWD?
I'd like to hope so, but it would seem to depend on finding a cheap manufacturing point.
The problem with the Mondeo has always been that it is seen as too big for the SE Asia market, so I think the only place making RHD versions is Spain for the British market, and we get the scraps. I'd like to hope that would change, but FA's new focus seems to be on cheap cost high profit.

Never heard of Toyota "high cam" - they did "twin cam" that denoted DOHC design.Territory doesn't have Ecoboost either .

Ford17 · 23-06-2016, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SumoDog68

Never heard of Toyota "high cam" - they did "twin cam" that denoted DOHC design.Territory doesn't have Ecoboost either .

Yeah, it was called "Hi Cam" and appeared on Corollas in the 1980's; and well before DOHC started to become mainstream.

Territory ended up with the Jaguar-derived V6 diesel, which I don't think was ever referred to as an 'ecoboost'.

Junkyard-Dog · 23-06-2016, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Ford17

Yeah, it was called "Hi Cam" and appeared on Corollas in the 1980's; and well before DOHC started to become mainstream.

Territory ended up with the Jaguar-derived V6 diesel, which I don't think was ever referred to as an 'ecoboost'.

I had an AE82 Twin-Cam Seca with the 4-AGE engine. It had a "Twin Cam 16" decal on it.

Vesper Martini · 24-06-2016, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Junkyard-Dog

I had an AE82 Twin-Cam Seca with the 4-AGE engine. It had a "Twin Cam 16" decal on it.

Yes because the 4AGE was a 16 valve twin Cam.
A fantastic revolutionary engine, built in transverse and longitudinal. which I had in my AE86.
Off memory Australia/NZ didn't get these either, the ones like we had would have been imports.

madmelon · 23-06-2016, 09:05 AM

I'm hoping the Focus RS500 has that 2.7 V6 Ecoboost. Ford had problems developing the 2.3 Ecoboost to the power level of the RS- in interviews, Ford engineers reported unexpected engine failures during development.

V6 RS500 would be a real step up!

Cheech · 23-06-2016, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by madmelon

I'm hoping the Focus RS500 has that 2.7 V6 Ecoboost. Ford had problems developing the 2.3 Ecoboost to the power level of the RS- in interviews, Ford engineers reported unexpected engine failures during development.

V6 RS500 would be a real step up!

That was rectified very early in development.

I took delivery of a Mk3 RS yesterday.
The 2.3 in the RS is an amazing engine - very linear and powerful.
Combined with AWD its a very easy car to drive fast.

208260 · 23-06-2016, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by madmelon

I'm hoping the Focus RS500 has that 2.7 V6 Ecoboost. Ford had problems developing the 2.3 Ecoboost to the power level of the RS- in interviews, Ford engineers reported unexpected engine failures during development.

V6 RS500 would be a real step up!

I agree! Time to work on this 2.7L Ecoboost V6 Focus RS 500, Ford! With a 9000 RPM Redline!
Unless you've already got it in the pipeline?