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17-04-2012, 08:45 PM | #1 | |||
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Coming off from the recent good news that is the Ford Territory being exposed at the Thailand motor show, it's time to dig the boots back into Ford... because this is what the sensationalist media likes. Or... they just hate Ford. Whatever. I read this in the latest Sunday times as I like to skim through to read what they've printed about Ford or Holden... for laughs.
The Ford Territory launched and it was a vehicle with flaws. Most notably the issue of the ball joints in the front suspension. Aside from this, it was a good family hauler, that drove like a car, and was popular with consumers. Carsguide recently printed an article by Graham "smithy" Smith. And it was as created as his aforementioned nickname. Hailing the territory in the sub-title as "far from flawless". It took some digging to find it in their low brow site, as it's not laid out very well. Basically the article goes on to warn people of the world ending disaster of paying quite a fair bit to change the front ball joints after 30000k's. Any other manufacturer would have got the description as "as cost unique to this vehicle". It also goes on to describe the problems with the very fine ZF transmission. Such that you would find in early noughties era BMW, Aston, and Mercs and the like. He doesn't describe any troubles but just labels the unit "troublesome", with some kind of notoriety of such. The article ends with a terrible note declaring: "With quite serious front supension and automatic transmission issues buyers should be wary of the Territory. Approach with caution.". Basically as soon as you hand over the money for one, the front suspension will collapse, and the gearbox will explode and you're left with two tonnes of metal. But I could be overreacting. Please read it and decide for yourself: Note the title says "it's fine points, of which you will find... none." Quote:
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17-04-2012, 08:52 PM | #2 | ||
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The herald suns carsguide is an absolute joke, any ford australian made will cop a bashing. Graham Smith and Paul Gover, i can just imagine the bedtime stories they tell each other everynight.
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17-04-2012, 08:56 PM | #3 | ||
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Meh, I think the "Approach with caution" at the bottom was uncalled for, and I do doubt some of his claims, seems to talk up the ball joint issue, he says it like there's a 100% chance of it failing.. Realistically most don't have issues.
Would have been an okay review/buyers guide if he toned down the hate a little bit and kept it more constructive.. What alternative is there, a captiva? hah. |
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17-04-2012, 08:57 PM | #4 | ||
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I think it sums up the territory nicely...
You can't praise a car and hide its flaws if you are doing a buyers guide.
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18-04-2012, 06:39 PM | #5 | |||
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17-04-2012, 09:03 PM | #6 | ||
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you can if its a holden review.
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17-04-2012, 09:06 PM | #7 | ||
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You should approach "EVERY" used car with caution. That's a given.
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17-04-2012, 09:12 PM | #8 | ||
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ive read worse written on here by so called ford fans.....
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17-04-2012, 09:13 PM | #9 | |||
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17-04-2012, 09:18 PM | #10 | |||
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In cars guide on the page before was a double page spread on the GT-E and gave it a massive wrap comparing it to BMW & of course the HSV Caprice finding the car near faultless and a better buy than those twice its price ......... did we mention this in the OP ????????
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17-04-2012, 09:21 PM | #11 | |||
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17-04-2012, 09:13 PM | #12 | |||
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I have never heard of "troublesome" ZF transmissions in the Territory or Falcon.
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17-04-2012, 09:14 PM | #13 | ||
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I recently wrote into cars guide concerning a poorly put together article. It was a Paul Gower article that talked about the return of the datsun brand. It breifly mentioned the return than bagged datsun for most of the article. I wrote in to point out all the very incorrect remarks he made. They edited my letter printed it and put in a laughable response. We all had a good laugh on the Datsun website (ozdat) All im saying is like the the herald sun dont pay to much attention to what they say like the herald sun do to the real world issue's.
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17-04-2012, 09:16 PM | #14 | ||
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Should also mention how terrible there website is!
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17-04-2012, 09:17 PM | #15 | ||
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Oh yeah, Carsguide part of the NWO, conspiring us to only drive certain cars.
So when the NWO eventually rules the world through an authoritarian world government, we will all drive GM/Holden products.
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17-04-2012, 09:20 PM | #16 | ||
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The fact that Ford released the Territory with such major faults was inexcusable. These ball joint issues affected more than one or two cars. The fact that it took heavy print media pressure to get Ford to act says alot about the company and also explains it's current poor position in the Aus market place. I don't believe the article is too harsh: Ford only have themselves to blame, despite what those with rose coloured glasses would try and have you believe.
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17-04-2012, 09:24 PM | #17 | |||
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Was in the Herald Sun .....
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17-04-2012, 09:29 PM | #18 | ||
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No secret the territory has flaws. Lots of cars have flaws. It's guaranteed. The territory has ball joint issues. Hardly a conspiracy.
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17-04-2012, 09:36 PM | #19 | ||
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Ball joints were reversed in SYII and fixed by working in compression instead of tension.
I wouldn't expect an ordinary car buyer to know that but an experienced motor writer should and write a more balanced piece. In the end any advertising is always better than none.. |
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17-04-2012, 09:35 PM | #20 | |||
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What really grinds my gears about it... is that it's misleading people into bias. And it doesn't begin and end with Territory... it affects the lineup by suggesting that all cars made by the company should be avoided. Especially the whole "cover up" business they're going on about.
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17-04-2012, 09:40 PM | #21 | ||||
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Did you even read the article? Or did you just see "ball joints" and wrap your head in al-foil, and go post up a tirade about the great conspiracy to overthrow FoA? It is a fair and balanced article. (well, for a simthy penned one) Whats more damaging for Ford is the tin-hat theories that people hold on to. Quote:
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17-04-2012, 10:00 PM | #22 | ||
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this reeks of the ussual hate ford media group. Were not stupid and we know they add the obvious good points about the terry that anyone would know so as to not look biased...but then harp, spin, and focus on subjects not only easily rectified now, but almost notan issue considering ALL second hand cars will have some issues. No quarter given whatso ever and to doubt the proven gearbox is blatantly dissrespectful to ford and the territory. I never ever heard even half the commotion given to the holden adventure...(the most recalled car in aus history)
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17-04-2012, 10:08 PM | #23 | |||
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No mention at all of what the car was originally lauded for by all, which was an SUV that had car-like handling.
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18-04-2012, 12:03 AM | #24 | ||
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I love the ask Smithy column, highlight of my week. Nothing else give me such a good laugh as his answers to the questions asked. I often wonder does he actually drive or does he just google the answers to all his questions. If the Territory had a Holden badge on it, then it would be the greatest SUV ever built....
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18-04-2012, 12:57 AM | #25 | ||
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I posted in the Territory section a few days ago..
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18-04-2012, 07:03 AM | #26 | ||
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Wonder where these guys research their articles? Ford Forums, perhaps??
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18-04-2012, 07:27 AM | #27 | |||
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18-04-2012, 05:44 PM | #30 | |||
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