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Originally Posted by monkeyboy666
Mate, thats not what I'm saying......
There is a market for a car the size of a Falcon or Commodore but with the fuel efficiency of a diesel - ie the TDCi Mondeo. Its not the fuel efficiency alone that will sell it to many people - its the fact that the Mondeo is a BIG CAR. Not a Golf size car - the fact that the Golf gets 2l/100km or whatever better fuel efficiency is irrelevant, its too small for many peoples needs.
When I was choosing a car, a Golf/Passat or Peugeot size car was not anywhere on my list. Understand that to many people fuel efficiency is not the only thing that goes into the decision making when buying a car. The fact that the TDCi does so well economically is a nice bonus, but not the sole reason for buying it.
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Ok... here is a comparison of a few Mondeo TDCi competitors...
Ford Mondeo TDCi (sedan)
2.0litre DOHC 16-valve Turbodiesel
96kW @ 4000rpm
320Nm @ 1750-2240rpm
Length: 4844mm
Width: 1886mm
Height: 1500mm
Wheelbase: 2850mm
Front Track: 1579mm
Rear Track: 1595mm
Weight: 1604kg
Mazda 6 MZR-CD (hatch, no sedan variant, hatch or wagon)
2.0litre SOHC 16-valve Turbodiesel
105kW @ 3500rpm
360Nm @ 2000rpm
Length: 4670mm
Width: 1780mm
Height: 1435mm
Wheelbase: 2675mm
Front Track: 1540mm
Rear Track: 1540mm
Weight: 1500kg
Peugeot 407 HDi (sedan)
2.0litre DOHC 16-valve Turbodiesel
100kW @ 4000rpm
320Nm @ 2000rpm
Length: 4676mm
Width: 1711mm
Height: 1455mm
Wheelbase: 2725mm
Front Track: 1554mm
Rear Track: 1510mm
Weight: 1732kg
Volkswagen Passat 2.0 TDI (sedan)
2.0litre DOHC 16-valve Turbodiesel
103kW @ 4000rpm
320Nm @ 1750-2500rpm
Length: 4765mm
Width: 1820mm
Height: 1472mm
Wheelbase: 2709mm
Front Track: 1552mm
Rear Track: 1551mm
Weight: 1587kg
So we have a few cars that are roughly the same size. The Mondeo is the least powerful and second heaviest, and is the cheapest by $100 ($37,990 for it, $38,090 for the 6). How exactly is it something unique in the market that the others aren't?
Its the thirstiest, has the dirtiest emissions (grams per kilometre of Carbon Dioxide - 193 Mondeo, 189 407, 178 Passat, 160 6 MZR-CD) and is close with the 6 for the least well equipped.
If you look up interior dimensions, like headroom and legroom dimensions, they're all very close to each other, within 20mm (2cm) most of the time.
I really like the Mondeo, but realistically the only things really going for it in this fight are that its the cheapest and that it has a very, very, very nice interior...
Prices are... by the way, in order...
Mondeo TDCi - $37,990
6 MZR-CD - $38,090
Passat 2.0 TDI 103kW - $42,490
407 HDi - $45,190
For $200 less then a HDi, you can get the Passat 2.0 TDI 125kW ($44,990) which in my opinion trumps this entire class...
125kW @ 4200rpm, 350Nm @ 1750-2500rpm and near identical economy to the 103kW version.
From that last post of yours, the only vibe I got from it was you hinting at the Mondeo being big, and the rest being small? In actuality, they're all the same size car, they're all direct competitors.
By the way, on a world market level, the Passat outsells the rest of these cars by miles.
Slightly OT...
Just did some reading on the Mondeo 2.2 TDCi... 155bhp (116kW), 265ftlbs (359Nm) and 58 mpg (4.05L/100km)! Yes please!
